scene

this is just speculation based on that the scene subculture must have existed before it became popular: in the early 2000s people who went to raves to socialze stopped doing so because it came too violent/mainstream/whatever. they started to form around the indie/alternative/hardcore music they liked and being ravers that was not music especially palatable to musicians. as such its similar to emo in that scensters are musically still young; but different in that scensters are quite a bit older. what was at first a sign that you liked to socialize became elitist in that you were as cool as the number of bands you knew well/had slept with. hence there is a love/hate relationship with scensters and musicians.