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going by your [definitions] i would consider myself a 'grunger', although reading what youve put about moshas, it sounds like youre describing someone who has outcasted themselves from society and, to be honest, dresses like a tramp. as some of you may see moshas and grungers very similar, i can say that the 'grungers' i hang around with have a shred of self respect and don't complain about things in the world which are [not really] [happening].
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