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a band from orem utah. started around 2000. [original] line up was Bert McCracken (Vocals)[Quinn Allman] (Guitar)Jeph Howard (Bass) and Brandon Stieneckert (drums). reaslesed there self titled debut album in 2002. there second record "in love and death" in 2004. then in 2006 Brandon left the band and now drums for rancid. there new drummer is named Dan Whitesides. he wrote all the new songs for the 2007 album called "lies for the liars" but did not record on it. the also released a dvd called "berth" in 2007 before [the record] came out
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