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People(definition 1 and 4) tend to forget that there is more to the state of New York than just New York City and Buffalo. Central New York is composed of cities and towns that aren't quite "upstate", despite the fact that someone from the City would assume that anything north is upstate. These cities include Utica, New Hartford, Clinton, Holland Patent, Syracuse, Oneida, Rome, Ithaca, and other such cities/towns. There are many hick areas that also make up CNY, but even CNYers forget about them. Definition 4 was close to being right, but seemed to be unaware that the CNY community is close-knit would not consider themselves "midwestern New Yorkers".
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