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a band that seems most of the population seems to fight over whatever music they do play, if its emo or punk, or something else. they also seem to have a lot of people think that they suck and complain when they could let the people make up their own minds. they originated from the D.C. area. their drummers have changed over the years. made three albums. fourth one is in progress. band members - Joel and Benj Madden, Billy Martin, Paul Thomas.
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